QuoteThis topic was split from our previous thread about stereonet censoring our brand from their forum because we believe it deserves its very own thread and for good reason !
Check it out. People paying good money to stereonet to become a sponsor only to have their sponsorship undermined by stereonets own moderators in favour of what appears to be a non-spaying sponsor ! You just can't make this stuff up. Backed up by credible evidence the apathy and arrogance towards it by the forums owner is truly astonishing and yet to this day nothing gets done and the corruption is allowed to perpetuate. Instead the whistle blowers are silenced and banished from the forum but the blatant corruption is allowed to continue unabated and nobody can say a single thing for fear of being shouted down or banned !!
Even well-paying sponsors forking out thousands if not tens of thousands a year in sponsorship money are oblivious to what is going on right before their very eyes but the evidence doesn't lie. And all because of one particular brand who for all intents and purpose is not a paying sponsor !! What's the real deal Stereonet ?? Even if there are vested interests in this particular brand shouldn't all of this be disclosed to the relevant parties before they hand over their hard earned $$$ to you ? Even if there is a vested interest what are these moderators doing favouring this brand over the paying sponsors brands ? None of it makes any sense but one thing is for sure be very careful before you start handing over your money to the stereonet coffers. You are not getting value for money from them and just underwriting this particular vendors amplifier products. It's buyer beware !!
I think it's the other way around when it comes to apologies !
My dispute with Mark (Marc) Rushton that got me banned and all my comments completely deleted had to do with the constant plugging by his moderators of a non paying sponsor, ELEKTRA over a paying sponsor being Anthony Holton. I have over 40 screen shots where Betty Boop has tried to sway forum members away from paying sponsors like Holton and OAD etc. towards Elektra. I bought this to Marcs (Marks) attention and was told on the forum how Stereonet forum is run as a comercial enterprise and Marc (Mark) would do whatever he sees fit.
This is what happened next.
I let Anthony know what was going on, that I had an unsolicited PM from a forum member offering me a substantial discount on 4 ELEKTRA amplifiers to power my 4 way active. Armed with this evidence Holton then approached Rushton. Holton then sent me this email.
QuoteFrom: "Holton Precision Audio" <info@holtonprecisionaudio.com>
Date: 5 Mar 2018 13:19
Subject: RE: Stereonet and the moderators.
To: "Michael Hope" <mickiboi007@gmail.com>
Cc:
Hi Mick
When I received your email last week I was somewhat shocked that you actually
Approached Marc the way you did, I did respond to Marc following your email asking him to clean up his moderators behaviour.
He did not respond well to me and denied he or his moderators had done anything wrong and then accused me of offending him deeply and proceeded to tell me what I knew to be more lies about you and my good friend Matt Pullen.
All very typical Narcissistic behaviour on his part, I have had the misfortune to have encountered many times in my life from these types of people.
Matt has now been banned from the SNA forum and Marc basically said to me if I wasn't happy leave and do not renew the $2000 invoice for a year subscription on SNA.
He also added if I believed what you had said about him was true he did not want me there anyway.
The fact is I witnessed it all in any case over the last 12 months with my own eyes I did not need any convincing it was going on from you.
Marc shutdown the SNA forum for about 4 hrs the other day, most likely to redact all of the evidence on his site that might incriminate him;
So at this stage I intend to leave SNA at the end of March when the subscription runs out.
It's been a tough road for me over the last 2 years or so financially and frankly I am getting very tired. No doubt I have lost sales from these moderators behaviour to Electra.
Matt and I are talking about setting our own forum up, but we will see.
Cheers Anthony
Kind Regards
Anthony E Holton
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This is the PM I was sent, with my reply to the unsolicited offer. The mobile phone number has been removed. I have not called that number but I believe it matches up to one of the moderators mobile phones.
QuoteHi Mick.
I see you are after some amplifiers for your 4 way active build.I see you are looking at Holton on the thread you started but I can get you Elektra at a substantial discount compared to what's being offered in store especially seeing as though you will need 4 of them.You can audition the amplifiers at Sonic Purity and I can get you Reference HD for $2500 each if you buy 4.This is a very good offer giving you massive savings over the retail price.This would only be open to you and I would respectfully request that this offer not be made public.If you are interested then reply to this PM with your phone number and someone will be in contact with you or call 0412 XXX XXX and tell him who you are and you want to buy some Elektra amps.Good luck with the build I'm sure it will sound fabulous.
QuoteWhoever you are.
I'm not really interested in Elektra amps. You may have seen my posts on the forum about the internal build quality of the Elektra amps, I think they are rubbish and I have no interest them, I would prefer Holton as I have stated in the thread. I'm not sure how forum sponsors who pay money to Stereonet and expect a return on their investment via people frequenting their shops and paying full price would react to this unsolicited offer depriving them of revenue, which I think is very deceitful.
I will be informing Mark Rushton and Anthony Holton of this. Do not contact me again.
Mick Hope
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There is no conspiracy theory here! Really???? I suppose those posts from Betty Boop above have come from a different time continuum. I will testify in a court of law as to the veracity and sequence of events to the above.
In the second post you can see Betty Boop has promoted Elektra above the following paying sponsors who sell Parasound A52+. Audio Trends in Melbourne, Douglas HiFi in Perth and Sydney HiFi in Mona Vale. I would not be too happy paying $2000 a year or whatever is demanded of them, in order to have a potential customer being swayed to the direction of another product who doesn't pay any money but gets his advertising free courtesy of Stereonets' moderators. Unbelievable. I wonder how many sales were lost by these paying sponsors. Just like Holton did. In the third post Betty throws Rotel under the bus too. The guy doesn't even mention Rotel but Betty gets a dig in at them anyway. Klapp, Space HiFi, Tivoli, Todds and West Coast HiFi all have one of their products slammed as TOO EXPENSIVE by this moderator. Nice work Stereonet.
Talk about shooting the messenger !! Let me get this straight. You reported this clandestine operation to the forum owner and instead of reprimanding or standing down the mods involved he then bans you and deletes all of your content whilst allowing the same mods to keep spruiking the same brand of equipment, till this day, and at any opportunity for a brand that for all intents and purposes is not a payed up sponsor ? You'd have to be totally daft to pay this forum owner 2K a year only to be compromised by this sordid arrangement. And yet nobody is allowed to say anything for fear of being banned or like myself have posting and PM rights removed :(
And for 2K a year just to have some iddy biddy forum space allocated to your brand and as soon as you stop paying your renewals your forum space and all of its posts disappear into the ether whilst this same vendor keeps getting continual free plugs at every opportunity. You've got to be kidding me, this must be noddy land :(
Yes he deleted me to delete the evidence. What he didn't delete is the posts of his mods, I have 40 of these screen shots. Holton and I pulled him up on it and here he is 2 years later still allowing the same thing, undermining Stereonets paid sponsors. You would be better off pissing your 2k up against the wall.
So he deleted any rights for you to post but you can still sign in and access the forums? Essentially he has kept you on there to stack the numbers. Sounds like the Labor party of the 70's. I wonder how many people don't exist in his "MASSIVE USER DATABASE". Something for companies in the future to think about if they are going to do any sponsorship or paid advertising with Stereonet.
Check it out. Just more evidence of the cover-ups ! I dug this up from a past facebook messenger chat back in 24-Apr-2019 I was having with the owner of stereonet when I was still on speaking terms with him, Apparently it's always a conspiracy theory and he is in total denial whilst the evidence above paints a completely different picture. What's even worse is he allows this brazen activity to perpetuate even at the expense of other paying sponsors whilst silencing any dissent on his own forum. I'd say busted Marc - well and truly ! The game is up ! How many local businesses have been ruined because of this nefarious behaviour ?? I hastened to think :( This is not what Australia needs or deserves :(
And for those playing along at home even if you write stuff he doesn't approve of on another site but has no control over it, you will surely get threatening emails with fake legal threats at all hours of the night as I have got from him. He will never debate anything in public he does not feel comfortable with and that's why so much gets deleted on his own forum. For those not used to this type of corporate bully tactics you need to see through it for what it is and don't fall for it :(
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Wednesday 28 February 2018 was the date I received the the unsolicited offer for the Elektra amplifiers.
By Saturday 3 March 2018 I was involved in a full blown slanging match with Rushton about their behavior and then he banned me whilst allowing the same people to keep spruiking the same brand.
The forum was shutdown for 4 hours from 11am to 3pm on Saturday 3 March 2018, as Anthony noted in his email above. All the evidence was cleaned out. Well it didn't do any good as his moderators have continued on with the destruction of paying sponsors businesses. And its still going on.
There is no conspiracy theory here. The evidence above speaks for itself.
My apology to Marc was not in fact for the conspiracy theory, it was to do with a customer spreading rumours about the Ultimate Preamp. I still have that email. It had to do with Matthew P telling me he had been offered two DEQX units to compete with the Ultimate Preamp via a PM on Stereonet for a lower than retail price which subsequently was found out to be false !!
QuoteFrom: Michael Hope <mickiboi007@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 5 September 2018 1:51 PM
To: Marc - Sound Media Group (Australia) <marc@soundmedia.com.au>; David S <dspdude@gmail.com>
Subject: An apology
Hi Marc,
This is Mick.
I owe you an apology which I hope you will accept. Turns out Matty P lied to me about the offer of DEQX equipment being offered by PM and dodgy deals being done behind Holtons back with Elektra. He is a pathological liar and I have caught him out on the many phone calls I have had with him while trying to sort out the issues he is having with Daves preamp.
I hope you will accept my apology, Im not asking to rejoin SNA.
Im man enough to own up to my fuck ups.
Mick
As it turns out Matt was half right, dodgy deals were being done with Elektra via PM even though Marc convinced me the offer I received in February did not come from a moderator. BUT HE STILL BANNED ME ON SATURDAY 3 MARCH 2018 DELETED ALL MY POSTS TO DO WITH HIS MODERATORS PUSHING ELEKTRA OVER PAYING SPONSORS. ITS STILL HAPPENING.
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On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 1:26 PM, Marc - Sound Media Group (Australia) <marc@soundmedia.com.au> wrote:
Mick, I genuinely appreciate your apology and yes, it does take a lot to suck it up when you do realise you are / were wrong, so I am grateful.
You can imagine my surprise when I discovered the conspiracy that was forming and being reported back to me, when it was actually so far from the truth. I was gobsmacked. I’ve been doing what I do for nearly 20 years, and I pride myself on transparency and running a tight ship.
You have discovered exactly what many of us have had the misfortune of discovering with Matthew. I am also privy to the disgusting behaviour shown towards Dave, and I am sorry for him that he is now on the receiving end of Matthew’s vitriol.
Without rambling, apology accepted and thank you.
Kind Regards,
Marc Rushton
Managing Director
So more bullshit. Rushton needs to get his facts straight.
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I didn't know moderators were supposed to be in charge of sales ? I thought they were just supposed to police a forum and not get involved with promoting selected brands at the expense of others but this betty boop character just can't help him or herself :( The question here is how many prospective sales have been lost because of the continual promotion of this one competing brand by this particular mod ?
cheers
OPINION: MATTER OF TRUST I HEAR YOU SAY?
I take it with Focal Loudspeakers being the front and centre picture in this article that Rushton wrote about a distributor "Transgressing the normal relationship", is Busisoft. Seems like Hell have hath no fury like a woman scorned!
https://www.stereonet.com/au/opinion/opinion-matter-of-trust/
He has a hide to talk about "TRUST" when his moderators have been undermining paying sponsors for years. Perhaps Busisoft got tired of his constant pushing of Harmon products and thought their sponsorship payments weren't really getting them any value for money.
Who knows, but TRUST does not appear to very high up the list of priorities. Look at what he has been allowing his moderators to get away with. Its all there people, dates, names, comments, everything.
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OPINION: MATTER OF TRUST I HEAR YOU SAY?
I take it with Focal Loudspeakers being the front and centre picture in this article that Rushton wrote about a distributor "Transgressing the normal relationship", is Busisoft. Seems like Hell have hath no fury like a woman scorned!
https://www.stereonet.com/au/opinion/opinion-matter-of-trust/
He has a hide to talk about "TRUST" when his moderators have been undermining paying sponsors for years. Perhaps Busisoft got tired of his constant pushing of Harmon products and thought their sponsorship payments weren't really getting them any value for money.
Who knows, but TRUST does not appear to very high up the list of priorities. Look at what he has been allowing his moderators to get away with. Its all there people, dates, names, comments, everything.
Which ever way you cut it these are still electronic devices which process electrical signals and need to be treated as such no matter how many flashing lights and buttons or how much they cost or how easy to use !! Without valid measurements these types of reviews are not worth the paper they are written on and are no more than someones opinion and likewise with the nonsense that is published by stereonet. There are only a handful of publishers that possess the relevant test equipment needed to evaluate equipment properly such as stereophile, ASR, Australian Hifi and to a lesser extent HNRR. The rest of them are either a waste of trees or internet bandwidth with stereonet no exception :(
Honestly speaking reviewing an amplifier without at least testing its power output and/or distortion, FR etc is like reviewing a car without driving it. There is only so many times you can wheel out the same old sound stage width and depth cliche before people wake up to the fact that they are just reading propaganda designed to suck then into buying something which is what websites like stereonet are designed to do :( Some of the best reviews I ever came across were from Audio magazine which would not only measure and listen to equipment but more often than not would often discuss the underlying technology using either a full or simplified schematic diagram provided by the vendor ;)
Having said that there are still some uses for a plain vanilla descriptive write-up of gear even if it is ones own opinion especially if there are some decent pictures of both the insides and outsides but I wouldn't really call it a full review unless it was accompanied by some decent measurements in order to confirm the manufactures specs ;)
cheers
david
QuoteWhich ever way you cut it these are still electronic devices which process electrical signals and need to be treated as such no matter how many flashing lights and buttons or how much they cost or how easy to use !! Without valid measurements these types of reviews are not worth the paper they are written on and are no more than someones opinion and likewise with the nonsense that is published by stereonet. There are only a handful of publishers that possess the relevant test equipment needed to evaluate equipment properly such as stereophile, ASR, Australian Hifi and to a lesser extent HNRR. The rest of them are either a waste of trees or internet bandwidth with stereonet no exception :(
Honestly speaking reviewing an amplifier without at least testing its power output and/or distortion, FR etc is like reviewing a car without driving it. There is only so many times you can wheel out the same old sound stage width and depth cliche before people wake up to the fact that they are just reading propaganda designed to suck then into buying something which is what websites like stereonet are designed to do :(
https://www.stereonet.com/au/reviews/hegel-h390-integrated-amplifier-review
https://www.stereonet.com/au/reviews/classe-audio-delta-preamplifier-and-delta-stereo-amplifier-review
Here is some good examples of what has been described above to a TEE.
Not a single technical measurement in sight, parroting the manufacturers power output figures, and the bloody soundstage just as predicted. Its always the soundstage and the depth but never any technical measurement of any description. Why no technical measurements? WHY?WHY?DELILAH.
Now compare this review from Audio Science review, Measurements to verify the manufacturers claims
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/trinnov-altitude-16-review-av-processor.23763/
To this.
https://www.stereonet.com/au/reviews/trinnov-audio-altitude16-16-channel-av-processor-review
Thanks to our eagle eyed supporters we have just been informed that Betty Boop is no longer a moderator. Probably happened this morning or yesterday. Anyway the damage he has done has been done, look at his posts above when he was a moderator. Looks like he has been demoted. I guess we will see from now on what transgressions other moderators carry out. To all those people that send us your screen shots keep them coming. We love you guys for what you are doing to help clean up the industry and rid us all of this type of behavior.
THIS IS NOT A VENDETTA AGAINST STEREONET, ITS A VENDETTA AGAINST DISHONEST AND ANTI COMPETITIVE BEHAVIOR.
With over 60,000 posts to their name he or she should have been banned and not demoted. Anyone else spruiking or continually plugging a particular brand would have been pulled up very quickly by the owner and either warned or banned outright according to their own forum rules and yet nothing happened even after complaints were made years ago :( I too more or less got banned for only writing two sentences that the owner of stereonet did not like as well as having the only thread on my product completely removed so go figure !! He guards it like a hawk and yet this is allowed to go on for years :(
Do these people honestly think that Australia is like the wild west and they can do what they like with impunity and absolutely no accountability ?
And that other monsieur coffee making character that appears to have written that damning PM with his phone number on it doesn't get let off the hook either !! He's up to his neck in it as well. :(
cheers
You mean this guy?
He is asked "What speakers do you use?" and throws in "8 channels of Elektra".
What car do you drive? "A Ford Ranger and I have 8 channels of Elektra".
One goes another one pops up. Dear oh dear another moderator plugging a non-sponsored product AGAIN. This is real value for money for all those paying sponsors.
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Quote from: MichaelH on June 23, 2021, 10:56:13 AM
OPINION: MATTER OF TRUST I HEAR YOU SAY?
I take it with Focal Loudspeakers being the front and centre picture in this article that Rushton wrote about a distributor "Transgressing the normal relationship", is Busisoft. Seems like Hell have hath no fury like a woman scorned!
https://www.stereonet.com/au/opinion/opinion-matter-of-trust/
He has a hide to talk about "TRUST" when his moderators have been undermining paying sponsors for years. Perhaps Busisoft got tired of his constant pushing of Harmon products and thought their sponsorship payments weren't really getting them any value for money.
Who knows, but TRUST does not appear to very high up the list of priorities. Look at what he has been allowing his moderators to get away with. Its all there people, dates, names, comments, everything.
I've heard the other side of this story and it's at complete odds with what is written in this article, so much so that it reminds me of an episode of Minder :D LOL This article smacks of sour grapes over someone who was no longer willing to pay their protection money to the stereonet coffers ! Good on them for standing by their own principles and not let themselves be bullied by thugs !!
cheers
Thank you to one of our friends who sent us the complete mirror of stereonet website. We have it all now. Stereonet has nobbled their search engine so our friends can no longer look for the corruption carried out by the mods. Can't nobble this hard drive can we?. It has turned up some interesting things. Stay tuned.
Just more censorship from the king of censors. Don't like the comment then delete the comment and ban the poster !!
"Rude and disrespectful" :D LOL
The truth of the matter is stereonet has never been successful outside of Australia and the apparent success in Australia is now questionable in light of the activities above. Profiting out of playing one vendor off against another is not a viable business model and is abhorrent. If you had ever visited their UK forum before it was dismantled you would have seen that it was threadbare with little or no activity. Before the Asia forum was pulled it had no more than a dozen users online at the one time and this was purchased from an existing forum operator !! The entry into the US market has been a total flop and non existent too. If it wasn't for purchasing the databases off existing forum operators in NZ and Singapore the only way stereonet has managed to survive is off the back of fickle Aussies who put up with their crap !
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Quote"One has a retail product in the market the other is still trying"
Well we can now see how he does it, without ever having a website and why would he ? Reading that is a bit like entering a one legged man into a butt kicking competition and then later complaining to everyone why he had no chance of winning ! That's how Arthur and his mates work - they make sure you never get a foot in the door and then later criticize you for it :(
It's ironic that Elektra and his foot soldiers on stereonet wanted to leverage off my hard work by selling his amps to you but when I was taking hundreds of his calls over a 7 year period, not once did he invite me to any of his public demos or ever mentioned any of his dealers either past or present. I had to find this out from a google search or by someone mentioning it on a public forum etc and yet here he is trying to muscle in off the back of a customer of mine who has bought one of my products and this joz dude has a cheek to make that comment. Who the hell are these people ?? And I'm still waiting for that phone call from joz to inquire about the preamp. Waiting...waiting...waiting ;)
From the hundreds of phone calls I took from Arthur of Elektra over a 7 year period I only ever had one inquiry from one of Arthur's contacts who wasted my time over a 12 month period and ended up being a tyre kicker. That's all I got from Arthur and his mates. Ironically his phones calls always started with "Sorry to trouble you", and ended up with "when you're ready", and the conversation was always about him wanting to know something and I was his free advisory service but at the same time holding back on everything he knew. A true aussie entrepreneur he called himself. In the end I cut him off and refused to take anymore of his nuisance phone calls and I suggest others do the same ☹
The problem here in this country is the whole industry is about personalities and not about what you can produce or how good you make it. Unless you are part of their club you simply won't be accepted here no matter how good you are. Because of this the imports keep winning out :(
Still plugging away at Elektra for free. Demotion hasn't done anything. We really need an ALL AUSTRALIAN FORUM that promotes Australian talent and content as well as manufacturers rather than a forum that just serves the sole purposes of one persons greed. Allowing the Australian HiFi industry to be held to ransom by paying exorbitant ridiculous fees, being blocked, banned and censored for expressing an opinion that differs from the forum owners aligned industry content, well this has to end and end soon. Someone please start up something that will support the Australian industry especially the start ups.
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Quote from: MichaelH on June 03, 2022, 12:09:55 PM
Still plugging away at Elektra for free. Demotion hasn't done anything. We really need an ALL AUSTRALIAN FORUM that promotes Australian talent and content as well as manufacturers rather than a forum that just serves the sole purposes of one persons greed. Allowing the Australian HiFi industry to be held to ransom by paying exorbitant ridiculous fees, being blocked, banned and censored for expressing an opinion that differs from the forum owners aligned industry content, well this has to end and end soon. Someone please start up something that will support the Australian industry especially the start ups.
We are working on it ;)
Marvin
Its rife over there. Yet another Aussie manufacturer shafted by moderators playing favouritism. Geoff at Aurealis Audio has been shit on by the mods. He mustn't have paid up.
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Quote from: MichaelH on June 10, 2022, 12:23:56 PM
Its rife over there. Yet another Aussie manufacturer shafted by moderators playing favouritism. Geoff at Aurealis Audio has been shit on by the mods. He mustn't have paid up.
Like myself he mustn't have paid his protection money to the SNA coffers and so they just ignored him and propped up someone else who they thought was a sure bet but has turned out to be unreliable. Just another example of SNA favouring paid-up mediocrity :(
cheers
david
Quote from: OzHifi.net on June 03, 2022, 04:08:56 PM
Quote from: MichaelH on June 03, 2022, 12:09:55 PM
Still plugging away at Elektra for free. Demotion hasn't done anything. We really need an ALL AUSTRALIAN FORUM that promotes Australian talent and content as well as manufacturers rather than a forum that just serves the sole purposes of one persons greed. Allowing the Australian HiFi industry to be held to ransom by paying exorbitant ridiculous fees, being blocked, banned and censored for expressing an opinion that differs from the forum owners aligned industry content, well this has to end and end soon. Someone please start up something that will support the Australian industry especially the start ups.
We are working on it ;)
Marvin
I suggest every aussie and NZ manufacture who is reading this to get on board with this new forum or end up becoming part of australian history and another failed aussie manufacturer statistic as so many before them have.
Every aussie and NZ manufacturer is listed there waiting for authorization from each entity to enable their own individual forum and payment is not due till 12 months after signing up and it will be very competitive and not the SNA ripoff prices that have discouraged so many to date.
As well there is a section for aussie and NZ hifi dealers but these are not listed by default. Hopefully some relationships will be developed between manufacturers and dealers thus supporting local jobs ;)
cheers
David
Ok OzHifi is open for business and I am it's first customer !! And I suggest everyone who takes themselves seriously as a prospective HiFi manufacturer in this country get out from behind the couch and sign up and help make this forum your own !
Check it out ;)
https://www.ozhifi.net/forums/Analog-Precision/
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Quote from: MichaelH on June 03, 2022, 12:09:55 PMStill plugging away at Elektra for free. Demotion hasn't done anything. We really need an ALL AUSTRALIAN FORUM that promotes Australian talent and content as well as manufacturers rather than a forum that just serves the sole purposes of one persons greed. Allowing the Australian HiFi industry to be held to ransom by paying exorbitant ridiculous fees, being blocked, banned and censored for expressing an opinion that differs from the forum owners aligned industry content, well this has to end and end soon. Someone please start up something that will support the Australian industry especially the start ups.
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This might explain it ! What do they say ? Money talks and BS walks ;)
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Is that right? Joz has donated $52585 to this sham Forum? Who the hell donates that amount of money to any forum and still proclaims as a "MODERATOR" they have no influence on any non-sponsors product? That's an incredible amount of money. What's the deal here. It's starting to stink like the Pharmaceutical lobby in Washington and we all know how corrupt that deal is.
At that sort of money it looks more like a business investment to me ;) And now he is just a member or volunteer apparently :D Anyone else would have been permanently banned years ago and yet the two mods are still there just with a different coat of paint :( Just look at what happened to me. I got banned, removed from the aussie made manufacturers list, and the only thread related to my product is vanquished, and his website forum is nobbled so it takes ages to do a search on anything related to my product :( And this is all my fault of course because he has done no wrong. And to add insult to injury he came at me with his lawyers trying desperately to shut down this forum and hide all of its content from the public. You just can't make this stuff up. Welcome to Australia this is how they do it and why they wax lyrical about the old "Hills Hoist" !
Well stere0get has certainly got their hands full with the cable debacle now. That's what happens when you play favourites and back the wrong horse because you think it is going to pay you more ;)
What a classic this guy is.
Excerpt from here https://www.stereonet.com/au/opinion/opinion-matter-of-trust/
Of course, hi-fi reviews should be taken with a grain of salt. They're there to offer the reader some meaningful insight into the product being reviewed, one that goes far beyond its marketing spiel. It should be used at the very least as a 'way in' to considering buying a product, something to provoke more thought on the part of the prospective purchaser. If you believe then the product could be for you, it can go on your auditioning shortlist. The rest is then up to you.
So when a well known local reviewer announced that he would be leaving freelance journalism to work for a local hi-fi distributor, we wished him well. He had decades of experience and had worked for every local publication, including StereoNET. Yet despite him moving from one side of the great divide to the other, his job description continued to be 'journalist and reviewer'. And he's now 'reviewing' products that his employer exclusively distributes â€" for the company's own retail website.
There's nothing illegal about this per se, but indeed it is misleading for consumers. Because he's 'reviewing' his employer's products, it amounts to paid advertorial rather than a traditional, notionally impartial review. It's akin to an influencer receiving a free product in return for a good review, except in this case, it's an ongoing salary. The fundamental problem is that the reviews do not state any commercial interests or that this well-respected reviewer is now under the distributor's employ.
This distributor's relationship with the press and various fellow industry members has become fractured. By upsetting the delicate balance between press freedom and mutual support within the industry â€" one that delivers for the industry, the press and consumers alike â€" a bad precedent has been set. I cannot see how this is good for the industry, whichever way I look at it.
Unless objective measurements are made with proper test equipment all of these reviews will be nothing more than a white wash using lots of flowery language and cliches that will never show up any flaws in any equipment they review and I bet you won't find one negative review that stereonet has ever done simply because they only ever review sponsors equipment. They don't randomly take gear off the street like ASR does and then review it with no strings attached so it's a bit like the pot calling the kettle black when they start criticizing other reviewers for doing exactly the same thing they do. In other words those types of reviews are nothing more than glorified adverts.
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On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 1:26 PM, Marc - Sound Media Group (Australia) <marc@soundmedia.com.au> wrote:
Mick, I genuinely appreciate your apology and yes, it does take a lot to suck it up when you do realise you are / were wrong, so I am grateful.
You can imagine my surprise when I discovered the conspiracy that was forming and being reported back to me, when it was actually so far from the truth. I was gobsmacked. I've been doing what I do for nearly 20 years, and I pride myself on transparency and running a tight ship.
You have discovered exactly what many of us have had the misfortune of discovering with Matthew. I am also privy to the disgusting behaviour shown towards Dave, and I am sorry for him that he is now on the receiving end of Matthew's vitriol.
Without rambling, apology accepted and thank you.
Kind Regards,
Marc Rushton
Managing Director
I read this thread again last night and on further reflection....
Really marc you've been doing this for 20 years ?? You mean you've been doing this for 20 years until you got caught out !! And the result is ?? Another local aussie industry that is essentially on life support whilst the imports flourish as usual and the locals are left fighting amongst themselves over the ever shrinking market share that is left to them. I hope your new found lifestyle and your imported trinnov was worth it mate :( Or better still try and do what I did and design and manufacture a sophisticated audio product from scratch whilst NOT being paid a single cent to do so, and see how much harder it is than sitting in front of some forum software all day pushing the delete key ! It may actually give you a better appreciation of the difficulties involved with trying to do that here in this country with people like yourself undermining their efforts before they have even got off the ground :(
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