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What is even more interesting about this is DEQX have canned their old line of junk before they have the new one sorted. I have sent emails asking when the new one will be due but I get no response. Nothing to sell here, move along. I guess they are finding out its really hard to design a product with class leading specs, not enough talent in house to do it. Kyron have nothing to release, unless they have stock of the old shit. But.....why would you buy the Gay-ear with old outdated electronics? Are they promising an upgrade when the new crap becomes available? Will DEQX release the bench testing figures? Would they be willing to put one up to be independently tested? I doubt it.

And this is probably why ! They have been exposed selling an inferior product and are now playing catch-up games !!

https://analog-precision.com/forum/performance-and-measurements/ultimate-preamp-vs-deqx/
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What is even more interesting about this is DEQX have canned their old line of junk before they have the new one sorted. I have sent emails asking when the new one will be due but I get no response. Nothing to sell here, move along. I guess they are finding out its really hard to design a product with class leading specs, not enough talent in house to do it. Kyron have nothing to release, unless they have stock of the old shit. But.....why would you buy the Gay-ear with old outdated electronics? Are they promising an upgrade when the new crap becomes available? Will DEQX release the bench testing figures? Would they be willing to put one up to be independently tested? I doubt it.
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This story is about two years old and wasn't apparent to me at the time until later when someone had alerted me to it. This is just another one of the many disappointing situations I have had to deal with since I started this project. In fact I could easily write a book about all of the crap situations and experiences I have had to deal with and the irony is that they have all originated from here within Australia :(

Check it out !! Slap bang right in the middle of our pre-order period around August 2019 last year on diyaudio.com , DEQX along with their mates at stereonet all of a sudden decided to offer a 21st anniversary sale !!

What a coincidence or more likely a conspiracy !! :(



I mean what commercial organization celebrates a 21st anniversary whilst at the same time offering a significant discount on a competing inferior product that they have never offered before ?? Same old story wheeled out once again about an old sampling keyboard that has been flogged to death !! A bit like the old Hills Hoist !! Probably just a rouse to justify offering a discount to try and steal customers away from us at a critical time :(

20th anniversary I could understand but 21st anniversary ?? What commercial vendors do 21st anniversaries ?? Maybe I have lived a sheltered life but why not a 22nd anniversary during Covid-19 when things are much quieter ? Makes much more sense  but not a peep out of them. Wonder what they will do for a 25th anniversary or maybe they will wait for my next pre-order ? That should be interesting. My guess is that with the same old stagnating DSP hardware it won't belong before the product they are flogging is relegated to the same status as their old keyboard. ;) (PS Apparently DEQX have been working on a new product offering but have not heard any news about it yet.)

And lastly if DEQX was so good then the owner of stereonet would still be using one in his stereo system today. He doesn't and sold it long ago !! (Edit - And yet the owner of stereonet threatened me with legal action if I did not withdraw this comment - why ??) It's one thing trying to steal customers away from a prospective start-up during its critical phase but it's another trying to do kill off a progressively new product whilst keeping a very old outdated and mediocre product alive ! It's called anti-competitive behavior and there are laws designed to protect businesses against this sort of nefarious behaviour !

If you are a local aussie hifi manufacturer my suggestion is to avoid stereonet like the plague and if you read the other threads in this section you will see why ! Why pay $2,000 a year only to have a single forum buried among many others when as soon as you stop paying that thread and all of its posts disappear into the ether. Surely this is not the behaviour of a "hifi community" but   nothing more than a glorified advertising platform designed to make lots of money for its owners whilst using the members as its captive audience who are very limited in what they can post. And if that means destroying a prospective local hifi manufacturer along the way then be it ! Avoid !

Regards
David
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Hi David,
Any plans for lower cost modular option ?

I'm building new pair of loudspekaers, active witn hypex mcXXXmp amplifiers.

For me, it would be great if I could place DSP inside loudspeaker cabinet.
So I would need two DSP boards, one for left and one for right channel ;)

Hypex have some 3 way DSP solution (FA series) but thay are not high end as yours.

Olso, it would be great to have some option for presets.
So that we dom't have to use audioweaver every time we would like to "hear" or compare two diferent setings...not to mention licence for it...;)

Any way, I know how much work and time you invest into those, thay are high end products but it would be great to hove something that is more affordable for "normal" diyer.

I think that now days active sistems are great solition as we have more and more good and low cost amplofiers and drivers but we are limited with DSP solution.

I belive that you know how to make good product, and maybe to produce raedy made main DSP boards with kit option (PCB with or without parts) for diy (power supply and output boards or so).

Sorry for bad english ;)

Best regards
Josip

Hi Josip

Yes I have plans for a very high cost option for an international speaker builder but not a low cost one at the moment.

Having said that, at one stage I did contemplate on moving manufacturing to China to take advantage of economies of scale and locality to produce a much lower cost Preamp but because of covid the plans were scuttled :(

I understand your need to switch different Audioweaver configs and many others have inquired about this ability but am not sure if DSP Concepts has implemented this ability yet.

It might be worth revisiting the DSP board offering again but have a single board solution where all of the connectors are mounted on the same board rather than scattered across multiple daughter boards but with a greatly reduced feature set.

Regards
David

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Performance and Measurements / Re: Ultimate Preamp vs DEQX
« Last post by Tranquility Bass on April 24, 2022, 10:26:52 AM »
Kyron have updated their Gay-ear. With no new offerings from DEQX they must still be using that old klunker from above. I don't know how they can claim what they do about sound quality when the DEQX performs as bad as it does. That sine wave is truly shit. I don't see how Kyron can charge $250k+ when the electronics they are selling with the loudspeaker is as terrible as what the measurements above show.

“There's a sucker born every minute.”
-- P. T. Barnum

Correct me if I am wrong but I believe their latest incarceration is a rehash of the same electronics they used before with some very minor changes. I believe they are still using the old legacy 96kHZ DEQX design with the old outdated Analog-Devices ADSP21065L 66MHz SHARC DSP, same DAC's and ADC's as before so therefore expect to measure the same as shown above from the Stereophile review. From what I can see most of the changes are only cosmetic ! Be-careful with FIR filtering and high-slope linear-phase crossover designs as the off-axis response can suffer if the on-axis response is highly optimized and there are differences in directivity or timing between drivers in the off-axis in which case the ripple in the impulse response of the high and low filters will not properly cancel out and this can produce an objectionable pre and post ringing in the off-axis impulse response even though the on axis response is perfectly ok with no ringing which kind of negates the claim of no "cabinet resonances" !!

cheers
David
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News Updates / Re: On the drawing board is our next Revision(D) of the main DSP board
« Last post by yoke on April 23, 2022, 09:58:48 PM »
Hi David,
Any plans for lower cost modular option ?

I'm building new pair of loudspekaers, active witn hypex mcXXXmp amplifiers.

For me, it would be great if I could place DSP inside loudspeaker cabinet.
So I would need two DSP boards, one for left and one for right channel ;)

Hypex have some 3 way DSP solution (FA series) but thay are not high end as yours.

Olso, it would be great to have some option for presets.
So that we dom't have to use audioweaver every time we would like to "hear" or compare two diferent setings...not to mention licence for it...;)

Any way, I know how much work and time you invest into those, thay are high end products but it would be great to hove something that is more affordable for "normal" diyer.

I think that now days active sistems are great solition as we have more and more good and low cost amplofiers and drivers but we are limited with DSP solution.

I belive that you know how to make good product, and maybe to produce raedy made main DSP boards with kit option (PCB with or without parts) for diy (power supply and output boards or so).

Sorry for bad english ;)

Best regards
Josip

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Performance and Measurements / Re: Ultimate Preamp vs DEQX
« Last post by MichaelH on April 22, 2022, 05:56:35 AM »
Kyron have updated their Gay-ear. With no new offerings from DEQX they must still be using that old klunker from above. I don't know how they can claim what they do about sound quality when the DEQX performs as bad as it does. That sine wave is truly shit. I don't see how Kyron can charge $250k+ when the electronics they are selling with the loudspeaker is as terrible as what the measurements above show.

“There's a sucker born every minute.”
-- P. T. Barnum
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Quote
"One has a retail product in the market the other is still trying"

Well now we can see how he does it without ever having a website and why would he ? Reading that is a bit like entering a one legged man into a butt kicking competition and then later complaining to everyone why he had no chance of winning ! That's how Arthur and his mates work - they make sure you never get a foot in the door and then later criticize you for it :(

I'm still waiting for that phone call from joz to enquire about the preamp. Waitng…waiting…waiting…

From the hundreds of phone calls I took from Arthur of Elektra over a 7 year period I only ever had one enquiry from one of Arthur’s contacts who wasted my time over a 12 month period and ended up being a tyre kicker. That’s all I got from Arthur and his mates. Ironically his phones calls always started with “Sorry to trouble you…” and ended up with “when you’re ready…” and the conversation was always about him wanting to know something and I was his free advisory service but at the same time holding back on everything he knew, a true aussie entrepreneur he called himself. In the end I cut him off and refused to take anymore of his nuisance phone calls and I suggest others do the same ☹

The problem here in this country is the whole industry is about personalities and not about what you can produce or how good you make it. Unless you are part of their club you simply won't be accepted here no matter how good you are. Because of this the imports keep winning out :(
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The Dark Room / Re: I call StereoNET Changing of the Guard total BS !
« Last post by MichaelH on April 19, 2022, 01:03:46 AM »
Didn't last long has gone back to administrator....again. Must have been feeling emasculated....again. (of a man) deprived of his male role or identity.
"insecure, emasculated men"

No matter how much Glen 20 you spray on a turd it's still a turd.
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I have everything.

 
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